Go to the alexander-the-great.co.uk homepage
alexander-the-great.co.uk
Talk about the Oliver Stone movie "Alexander"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Question only for educated and interested in history
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    alexander-the-great.co.uk Forum Index -> Discuss 'Alexander' the man
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
manos



Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Posts: 68
Location: london

PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 6:33 pm    Post subject: Question only for educated and interested in history Reply with quote

All the historians agree to timeline this period (of Alexander's coquest) as Hellenic and Hellenistic Period. Does anyone disagree?
-My question is what these two words mean (hellenic & hellenistic)? What is the origin?
-Why the historians picked these words to describe this period? I am very inerested to hear Sweedish-historians opinion and every other opinion of course.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Tino



Joined: 28 Oct 2003
Posts: 292
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I read the name of that period relates to the spread of the Hellenistic language, culture, religion, art, philosophy etc throughout Alexander's empire.
The basis for this name is that the first evidence of this type language, art, religion etc was discovered in area of Greece.
The Greek word for "Greek" is "Hellenic"
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
olympia



Joined: 01 Aug 2004
Posts: 37
Location: USA

PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found this definition
Quote:
Hellenic
adj 1: characteristic of the ancient Greek and Roman cultures [syn:
Greco-Roman, Graeco-Roman, Hellenic]
2: relating to or characteristic of the classical Greek
civilization [syn: Hellenic, Hellenistic, Hellenistical]
3: of or relating to or characteristic of Greece or the Greeks;
"Greek mythology"; "a grecian robe" [syn: Greek, Grecian,
Hellenic]
n : the Hellenic branch of the Indo-European family of languages
[syn: Greek, Hellenic, Hellenic language]


Greece is called Hellas. But it seems that the term "hellenic" refers to what we in the west would call the Classical World.
I have no idea when the terminology was introduced though.

Concerning languages it seems that the following holds:
Quote:
Hellenic \Hel*len"ic\, n.
The dialect, formed with slight variations from the Attic,
which prevailed among Greek writers after the time of
Alexander.


I got this info from an online dictionary, and they quote Websters (going back to 1913).
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
vulgaren



Joined: 06 Jul 2004
Posts: 140
Location: Skopje, Republic of Macedonia

PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah Hellenic today means a period of time - yet do not confuse yourself and think that whichever nation in Hellens times was Ancient Greek aka today Greek.
There were Macedonians, Thracians, Dardanians, Paeonians, Persians and they were all part of the Hellenic world but nor Greek.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Vrettas



Joined: 06 Jan 2005
Posts: 52
Location: Melbourne, Australia

PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vulagaren, i have seen your post for months and months and i must say,
Have you ever considered a career as a comedian?!?

Your hilariously Ignorant.

Serioursly have you got nothing better to do than feed your own insecurities about nationalities. Dude get over it.

Your Pal

V Man
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Vrettas



Joined: 06 Jan 2005
Posts: 52
Location: Melbourne, Australia

PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 11:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Question only for educated and interested in history Reply with quote

manos wrote:
All the historians agree to timeline this period (of Alexander's coquest) as Hellenic and Hellenistic Period. Does anyone disagree?
-My question is what these two words mean (hellenic & hellenistic)? What is the origin?
-Why the historians picked these words to describe this period? I am very inerested to hear Sweedish-historians opinion and every other opinion of course.


The words refer to the spread of Greek Culture and Language by Alexander and his men
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ChristianMacedon



Joined: 08 Apr 2004
Posts: 211
Location: Portsmouth, United Kingdom

PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
The words refer to the spread of Greek Culture and Language by Alexander and his men

no it doesnt, and you thought vulgaren should consider a career as a comedian Laughing
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Vrettas



Joined: 06 Jan 2005
Posts: 52
Location: Melbourne, Australia

PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh your right, the Hellenic period was when the world spoke Swahili, cause that was what spread.

My Stupid Embarassed

Your Pal

V Man
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
manos



Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Posts: 68
Location: london

PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1.The historical (last) point for this period is Alexander' death.
The name of this period is Hellenic (greek as all of u said). Not Persian period, Macedonian, Spartan period or indian for example...

2. I agree with voulgaren but this is obvious, can't every city -country be greek at that period. That never happened, to belong all countries of the world in the same nation. Macedonians, Spartans, Thracians, Cretans, Athineans, Ionion Islands population, Viotians, Thesprotians etc were greeks even if they used to fight each other or making some confederacies (unions) to fight each ohter. Persians, Indians etc were not greeks.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
vulgaren



Joined: 06 Jul 2004
Posts: 140
Location: Skopje, Republic of Macedonia

PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

manos - thracians, dardanels, ilirians, peonians were not Greeks - so Macedonians weren't either. If they were split in separate cities than why were not the Greeks in Alexander the Great movie depicted as Athenians instead of Greeks?
If we think like you than South England will be roman because Romans forced the English to speak Roman and changed their names in Roman???
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Xenos



Joined: 21 May 2004
Posts: 73

PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the Hellenisitc World, the Greek city states were united under one language, namely Greek. This is an indisputable fact with overwhelming evidence to support this. Alexander the Great spread Hellenism accross the East and once again there is overwhelming evidence to support just this. People on this site should refrain from using the political divisions between the Ancient Greek city states and conveniently transforming them in to ethnic ones for their own little agendas. Kevin will have a busy time when he gets back from holiday Smile
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
manos



Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Posts: 68
Location: london

PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course you can't call them Romeans as wrongly Germans called holly romean empire. As you can't say that Macedonians are related with the slavs of north Macedonia who settled in this place (and forced their language) in 6TH-7TH c. A.D.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
manos



Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Posts: 68
Location: london

PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You see, vulgaren takes a movie as arguement. This is for the people who say come on this is only a movie and how Oliver imagines Alexander etc. In the movie 'Troy' are fighting Greeks and Trojans, also wrong, Homer wrote Achaioi and Trojans (who are both greeks).
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Lala



Joined: 22 Feb 2004
Posts: 324
Location: Thessaloniki, Macedonia, Greece, Europe, Earth

PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vulgaren wrote:
manos - thracians, dardanels, ilirians, peonians were not Greeks - so Macedonians weren't either.
Vulgaren, whether you like it or not, the Macedonians were Greeks. As for the Ilirians, if you read the Peloponesean War carefully you will realise that Ilirians too were a detached part of the Greek world. And some Thracian tribes integrated with the Greeks.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
vulgaren



Joined: 06 Jul 2004
Posts: 140
Location: Skopje, Republic of Macedonia

PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lala wrote:
vulgaren wrote:
manos - thracians, dardanels, ilirians, peonians were not Greeks - so Macedonians weren't either.
Vulgaren, whether you like it or not, the Macedonians were Greeks. As for the Ilirians, if you read the Peloponesean War carefully you will realise that Ilirians too were a detached part of the Greek world. And some Thracian tribes integrated with the Greeks.


and the english were Greek?
Ilirian Greek! Thracian Greek! Laughing

Lets asume we all are Greek!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    alexander-the-great.co.uk Forum Index -> Discuss 'Alexander' the man All times are GMT + 1 Hour
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Page 1 of 4

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum



Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group