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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 7:10 pm    Post subject: HOW MANY OSCARS? Reply with quote

What is your prognose?
Does this movie have a potential to take the record of 12 Oscars?
I think that the subject and the story of the movie are one part of the condition for that kind the success.
So, everything depends on the team of actors, the producers and the director . . .
Go for it! Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to see it, before i can make any conclusions. It could be also a complete disaster, but i dont think this will hapen. It even can get a couple of oscars aswel. We will see.

Lets hope for the best and that it will show everything as really happend.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 12:24 am    Post subject: Oscars Reply with quote

Hello Everyone,
I have written it here before and I will say it again:
I am hoping that with the quality of the production staff that Oscar nominations could go for -
Best Picture
Best Director
Best Actor
Best Supporting Actor
Best Supporting Actress
Best Cinematography
Best Music
Best Costumes
Best Editing
That's 9 and all I can think of right now. Someone else help us out here.
The only one I'm really wishing for is Angelina Jolie to win for Olympias. I love Olympias, as you all know by now.....
Larry

P.S. - But, you're right - this could all land on it's ass. The 1956 version was an 'A' quality film and as boring as hell!!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yep

no-one can tell before its release. its looking promising considering the cast, and the few pics i've seen

Just to give u an idea what its up against click herehttp://www.the-numbers.com/movies/index2004.html

the rest is all up to marketing, but the name should be enough to market itself. Probably Troy and Alexander the Great are the 2 main titans in this genre.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

best animation possibly ? :D :twisted: :D lol hahahhahahahaha
i dunno but i hope it is **** awesome
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be careful if you feel that the simple name of a film is enough to sell and/or win Oscars. Several supposed big name films of the past and present have struggled in the box office and/or hardly had any Oscar impact.

I would love to see both Troy( May 14 release) and Alexander (November 5 release) do well both financially and artistically. But that remains to be judged by both filmgoers and critics.

Keep your fingers crossed!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:38 pm    Post subject: Wishful Thinking Reply with quote

Hi Bazil,
Yes, you're right - there's no telling what a movie will turn out like and even great movies have bombed and really bad ones have been successful.
But, my list of Oscar nominations is all just wishful thinking. We live to dream!!!!!!
Larry
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure u have "Entertainment Weekly" and "Premiere" magazines in Canada. They have an article with a few pages of pics and text regarding "Alexander" in Entertainment Weekly.

Also, Premiere has several pics and text on "Troy".
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Best of the Worst
A look at the worst films, performances and directors Oscar has rewarded

by Dave McCoy



Roberto Benigni mugs to the crowd as he makes his way to the stage to accept the Best Actor trophy for "Life Is Beautiful"


The only thing Americans love more than controversy is arguing ... and for movie fans, nothing gets us more riled up than the Oscars. Danny Perry, in his book "Alternate Oscars," wrote, "Second-guessing the Academy's Oscar selections has become the national sport of the dissatisfied and disenfranchised." We argue about who should host the awards. We argue about what or who was or wasn't nominated. But perhaps the biggest arguments come after the awards are handed out. "How could they give that film Best Picture?!" "She won Best Supporting Actress?"

When you look back at the 75 years of the Academy Awards, you have that reaction a lot. Simply put, the Academy has made some huge errors, and history has not been kind to their decisions. The most obvious example is "Citizen Kane." Though it's considered by critics and cinephiles alike to be the best film ever made, the Academy didn't even consider it the best film of that year (1941), giving the award instead to "How Green Was My Valley." And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

So, what follows is our look at the Academy's biggest blunders. We're only covering the six main categories. Sorry, we can't do them all. I mean, if we covered the Best Song category, we could write an entire dissertation on the last 20 years alone.

Feel free to argue ...

Worst Supporting Actress

Since the supporting categories were started in 1937, the biggest number of Academy gaffes, by far, reside here. Look down the list of best supporting actress winners and you'll be scratching your head so many times, people may think you've contracted lice. It's so bad, in fact, that we have a tie. The old line goes age before beauty, so let's start with Helen Hayes' win as on old lady stowaway in the clichéd disaster film "Airport" (1970). In the supporting category the winners usually swing between really good newcomers and crusty "Lifetime Achievement Award" old timers; Hayes, who was 70 when she won this award, falls in the later category (she had already won Best Actress in 1932 for "The Sin of Madelon Claudet"). Though her performance is scene stealing, it's hardly Oscar-worthy (Karen Black in "Five Easy Pieces" or Sally Kellerman in "M.A.S.H." were both stronger). On the other end of the spectrum, but equally as baffling, was Marisa Tomei's win for "My Cousin Vinny (1992). You could hear an audible gasp in the audience when Tomei's one-note performance as Joe Pesci's obnoxious, street-smart girlfriend was awarded gold. Twelve years later, it's just as puzzling ... especially to actresses like Judy Davis ("Husbands and Wives") and Vanessa Redgrave ("Howard's End") who were much more deserving.

Dishonorable mentions:
Beatrice Straight -- "Network" (1976)
Judi Dench -- "Shakespeare in Love" (1998)
Whoopi Goldberg -- "Ghost" (1990)
Angelina Jolie -- "Girl, Interrupted" (1999)
Mira Sorvino -- "Mighty Aphrodite" (1995)
Maggie Smith -- "California Suite" (1978)
Ingrid Bergman -- "Murder on the Orient Express" (1973)



Worst Supporting Actor

Unlike Supporting Actress, the Academy has generally redeemed itself when it comes to Supporting Actors. In fact, poring over the list of winners, the only one that sticks out is George Burns for "The Sunshine Boys" (1975). His win isn't offensive or awful as much as undeserving. He played one half of a vaudeville act (Walter Matthau is the other half) who reunites with his old partner late in life despite the fact that they hate each other. Burns' win definitely falls under the "Lifetime Achievement Award" category, as his competition that year blows his deadpan performance away. Jack Warden in "Shampoo," Brad Dourif in "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest," Burgess Meredith for "The Day of the Locust," and especially Chris Sarandon for "Dog Day Afternoon" were all better choices, but apparently not sentimental enough for the Academy. Does anyone even remember "The Sunshine Boys"?

Dishonorable mention:

Jack Palance -- "City Slickers" (1991)
Ed Begley Sr. -- "Sweet Bird of Youth" (1962)
Peter Ustinov -- "Spartacus" (1960)
Red Buttons -- "Sayonara" (1957)
Don Ameche -- "Cocoon" (1985)


Worst Actress

Of all the major categories, Best Actress is the one where you don't find many mistakes by the Academy. For the most part, they got things right, or at least didn't embarrass themselves. There is always an exception, however, and here it is Elizabeth Taylor winning Best Actress for "Butterfield 8" (1960). Before the film -- a campy, nearly unwatchable drama about a prostitute (Taylor) who falls for a married lawyer (Laurence Harvey) -- was even made, there were problems. Taylor thought the script was offensive, saying, "This is the most porn script I've ever read. I've been [at MGM] for 17 years and I was never asked to play such a horrible role ... she's a sick nymphomaniac ..." The problem, however, was that Liz was under contract and obligated to make one more picture for MGM. After many concessions by the studio, Taylor finally agreed to make the film. Critics trashed it, but audiences ate it up, and the film was a hit. Taylor was nominated, but the odds were against a victory for her in her first Oscar race. However, weeks before the ceremony, Taylor fell sick with a mysterious illness, and her condition was considered grave after a doctor performed a tracheotomy. Despite her sudden illness, Taylor vowed she'd make the ceremony. In a feat of disgusting empathy, the Academy awarded Liz with her first Oscar (she made the ceremony, and fainted backstage after winning) for a role she never wanted in a film that no one remembers.

Dishonorable mention:


Halle Berry -- "Monster's Ball" (2001)
Grace Kelly -- "The Country Girl" (1954)
Judy Holliday -- "Born Yesterday" (1950)
Cher -- "Moonstruck" (1987)
Glenda Jackson -- "A Touch of Class" (1973)


Worst Actor

Though the list of Academy mistakes in this category is long and impressive, we have to go with Roberto Benigni winning Best Actor for his Italian Holocaust comedy "Life is Beautiful" (1998). We'll spare you the details of why "Life is Beautiful" is one of the most offensive, callous, self-serving, sappy films to ever dupe both the nation and the Academy (it received more nominations than any foreign film in history), for that is another article. Instead, let's focus on Benigni's hyperactive, megalomaniacal "performance." He plays an imprisoned father in a Nazi death camp who tries to hide the reality of the Holocaust from his son by pretending the whole experience is a game. Benigni doesn't give a performance as much as celebrate himself and his "clever" idea. He wants to be Keaton or Chaplin, but we see his jokes coming from miles away. He's mugging and winking at the audience the whole way through and the result is nauseating. His shtick was good enough to fool the Academy, however, allowing Benigni to embarrass himself (again) on national TV by running around like a madman while gushing such drivel as "My body is in tumult ... I would like to be ... lying down and making love to everybody." Nick Nolte, who was nominated for his performance in "Affliction," was robbed.

Dishonorable mention:

Art Carney -- "Harry and Tonto" (1974)
Paul Lukas -- "Watch on the Rhine" (1943)
Dustin Hoffman -- "Rain Man" (1988)
John Wayne -- "True Grit" (1970)
Peter Finch -- "Network" (1976)
Rex Harrison -- "My Fair Lady" (1964)
.

Worst Director

I still remember the moment as if it were yesterday. It was March 24, 2002, I was at an Oscar party and they were just about to announce Best Director. The field was brutal: America's premier maverick Robert Altman for "Gosford Park"; genius David Lynch for "Mulholland Drive," easily the best film of 2001; one-time filmmaking master Ridley Scott for "Black Hawk Down"; rising mastermind Peter Jackson for "Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring;" and Ron Howard for "A Beautiful Mind." Ron Howard. The guy that made memorable cinema such as "Gung Ho." And "EdTV." Oh, and how could we forget "Far and Away" or "Backdraft"? I was pulling for Altman -- he had never won, was 77 years old, and "Gosford Park" was remarkable -- but a win by Lynch or Jackson would have been justified too. Even a Scott win I could swallow. But they gave it to Howard. Three of the best directors in film history (plus, Ridley Scott) lost to Opie. Howard is a director who makes safe, bland entertainment intended not to ruffle anyone's feathers. A more challenging director could have made "A Beautiful Mind," and they wouldn't have changed facts about the life of John Nash to make the film more mainstream. Howard signifies everything that is boring and wrong with Hollywood, and his reward was a statue that defines the system. So, maybe, it was warranted. Still, there have been a lot of Oscar blunders, but this one rises above them all.

Dishonorable mention:
Robert Zemeckis -- "Forrest Gump" (1994)
Oliver Stone --"Born on the Fourth of July" (1989)
Leo McCarey -- "Going My Way" (1944)
Kevin Costner -- "Dances With Wolves" (1990)
Robert Redford -- "Ordinary People" (1980)
George Roy Hill -- "The Sting" (1973)


Toughest Call:
John Ford ("How Green Was My Valley") beat Orson Welles ("Citizen Kane") for Best Director in 1941. While Ford is easily one of the top five directors in film history, Welles deserved the award that year. Plus, Ford had already won an award (he went on to win four total). Meanwhile, Welles was never nominated again.

Worst Picture

In 1989, Spike Lee made his masterpiece, "Do the Right Thing," a volatile, edgy ensemble piece about deteriorating race relations in a Brooklyn neighborhood on the hottest day of the year. The film was a much-needed cinematic slap in the face: unblinking social commentary masked as entertainment. It was angry and funny and shocking, fueled by real humanity yet never yielding to cheap sentimentality. Oh, yeah, and it wasn't even nominated by the Academy for Best Picture. Instead, films like the conformity-embracing "Dead Poet's Society," the hyperbolic "Born on the Fourth of July," the schmaltzy "Field of Dreams," the biopic "My Left Foot" and, sigh, "Driving Miss Daisy" instead earned nominations. The same year that Spike Lee opened audience's eyes to the dangerously explosive nature of race relations in America, the Academy looked away, and instead retreated 30 or 40 years. They awarded "Driving Miss Daisy" the Best Picture trophy. That cozy, unthreatening exploration of a relationship between an aging Southern matriarch and her African-American driver was just the type of movie that critic David Thomson calls "feel-good liberalism" that the Academy eats up. It was nice and safe and told you exactly how to feel. The fact that Lee's film was snubbed when the nominations were announced was bad enough; that "Daisy" drove off with the Oscar for Best Picture just showed how out of touch the Academy was -- not only with cinema, but society. Irony has never been more bitter.

Dishonorable mention:
"The Greatest Show on Earth" (1952)
"Around the World in 80 Days" (1956)
"A Beautiful Mind" (2001)
"Titanic" (1997)
"Out of Africa" (1985)
"Kramer Vs. Kramer" (1979)
"Ordinary People" (1980)
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 11:51 pm    Post subject: Alternate Oscars Reply with quote

Hi,
I have this book by D. Peary published in 1993, but mine only includes Picture, Actor and Actress for each year until 1991.
Is there a sequel and/or one with Directors, and Supporting Casts?

I think the reason there's so much contoversy with the Oscars is because they are a popularity contest, not an achievement award for 'best' or 'quality'... And, most people nominated are "movie stars", not 'actors' or 'actresses'..... It is rare that an actor is also a movie star and rarer still that a movie star is an actor or actress.

Even though 'Citizen Kane' is the best film of 1941, I still like 'How Green Was My Valley'; it's a good movie.

Although I love Judi Dench, Whoopi Goldberg, Maggie Smith, Ingrid Bergman and Jack Palance, Ed Begley, Sr., and Peter Ustinov, I agree they didn't deserve Oscars for those supporting performances.

1960 - Shirley MacLaine is famous for saying; "I lost out to a tracheotomy!!"......
1954 - Someone said. "Judy Garland was robbed"...
1950 - It is my belief that Bette Davis & Anne Baxter cancelled each other out for the vote for "All About Eve".
And, Gloria Swanson (Sunset Blvd.) split the vote with Bette Davis for the 'Old Hollywood' vote.
And so Judy Holliday slipped through with a minor majority.

I disagree with you on Dustin Hoffman. "Rainman" is the only movie I can stand him in, even though it is a sort of 'one note' performance. Even though I can't stand him, I felt simpatico with his character in that movie. So, I'd give him his Oscar!!!!!!

On Directors and Pictures, I agree with you.

Larry
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont think the 1956 film "Alexander the Great" did well in the box office nor did it get any Oscar acclaim.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Old Larry, its not me who did that but Dave McCoy, from MSN.

i simply copied and pasted it.

Now dont u think , as my friend the anomaly once said, the oscars are Obscene ?

do you find the oscars and all the other industry awards shows to be a vulgar display of wealth

not only that...it is where the film "critics" get to praise the people who give the biggest bungs

a disgusting insult to the average film goer that we are charged obscene prices for film admission and even worse for dvd's and what do we see in return

well hows this

each person who comes on to present an oscar today will recieve a "goody" bag worth £35,000($65,000)

nice work if you can get it eh

the so called knowlegable critics can effectively destroy an actor/directors career on a whim by a dire review

the oscars are just another of the narrow visionaries that are choking the originallity out of film making

**** the goddamn oscars and every other award event going

thank you very much

On another note,

Lets say it ; Oscars are all about Money. Cashing , Dlin, Dlin !
An actor/actress winning an Oscar would have their next appearance in a movie increased say from 15 mil to 20 mil.

all because they are an Academy Award winner.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Lets say it ; Oscars are all about Money. Cashing , Dlin, Dlin !


Yep, more and more.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 2:06 pm    Post subject: Oscars Reply with quote

Hi Everyone,
Yes, the Oscars are obscene and those gift packages are ridiculous. But, these people, who are participating are attention starved exhibitionists and equally ridiculous.
The Oscars were started in 1927 to help bring some dignity to an industry that was looked on as scandalous and a 'whoredom'.... Some of these people, a minority, were ladies and gentlemen, but the majority were low class crud, glorified and dressed up as aristorats...... Today, nothing has changed.
I watch the Award show becuse it's fun to see who's there, wearing what atrocity, and making an ass of themselves.
Larry
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 7:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Oscars Reply with quote

Vecchiolarry wrote:
Hi Everyone,
But, these people, who are participating are attention starved exhibitionists and equally ridiculous.


I would make an exception for Scrumptious Charlize Theron
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