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Sicario909



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 12:01 am    Post subject: Military leaders who can be related to ATG Reply with quote

would anyone else like to talk about great military leaders whose lives were influenced by ATG or can at least be related to...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 12:11 am    Post subject: my mistake should be COMPARED to Reply with quote

i should have said compared to rather than related to, just to clear up any confusion
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Top 5 (the 5th being my personal opinion) are:
1-Alexander III
2-Genghis Khan
3-Napoleon Bonaparte
4-C. Julius Caesar
5-a tie between Manuel Comnenus, Belisarius, and Alexander Nevski
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:48 pm    Post subject: my 10 Greatest Reply with quote

my top 10 military leaders would have to be (in no particular order)
1. ATG
2. Napoleon Bonaparte
3. Hannibal(though he could had 14 years to take rome after defeating the romans in eastern italy, kinda f@#ed up)
4. Eriwin Rommel (Desert Fox)
5. Scipio Afrikanus
6. Ghengis Kahn
7. Julius Caeser
8. George S Patton
9. Frederick the Great
10. Georgi Zhukov
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olympia



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You really would list Napoleon among the top leaders?
To me his disastrous campaign to Russia disqualifies him. One of my ancestors (a Dutchman, and something like my 3rd or 4th great-grandfather) actually fought in that army. The trek over the river Beresina is notorious for its high number of casualties. Nappies army was literally decimated.

Considering that Wellington beat Napoleon at Waterloo, wouldn't he have to be on the list too? Cool
(Beating a "great leader" would mean you would have to be even "greater", no? Wink )
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Nikas



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm, some military leaders missing I would have to add in no particular order:

Cyrus, Epaminondas, PHILIP!!!, Parmenio, Corbulo, Flaminius, Aemilius Paulus, Trajan, Constantine the Great, Aetius, Heraclius, Khalid/Omar, Nikephorus Phocas, John Tsimisces, Basil II, Charlemagne, Robert Guiscard, Edward II, William the Conqueror, Alfred, Gustavus Adolphus, Alexander Suvarov, Von Moltke (I), George Washington...

Just to name a few of the top of my head! Very Happy
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olympia



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nikas wrote:
..., Edward II, ....


You mean Edward I, "Longshanks"?
He was supposedly a great strategist, not to mention a shrewd politician.
Still strikes me as strange he took his wife with him on the crusade.. (but that's a different topic, and I know he wasn't the only one).

Would you include Richard the Lionhearted, King Philip (of France) and Saladin?
Saladin is revered as a great military leader in the middle east I think. (And acknowledged as such by the rest of the world.)
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Nikas



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, you are right. I meant Edward I, Scottorum Malleus-the hammer of the Scots. A great strategist and also a master tactician. Not only did Edward defeat the Welsh and the Scots but in his early years he racked up victories in the Middle East on a Crusade. Obviously he has not had the best publicity with Braveheart, but a great military leader nonethless.

I also forgot about Tamerlane. Brutal, yes. Barbaric, yes. Yet, a great military leader.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding Richard the Lionheart, I just can't help but feel he was an excellent soldier and battlefield leader, but not a great strategist and his campaigns did not seem to result in much. As for Saladin, from what I have read he was an able strategist but a useless soldier (he once tried to execute someone himself and missed the head!). He also greatly benefited from the complete disunity of the Crusaders and probably would have been driven back to Egypt had Richard more troops.
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Nikas



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tani wrote:
Top 5 (the 5th being my personal opinion) are:
1-Alexander III
2-Genghis Khan
3-Napoleon Bonaparte
4-C. Julius Caesar
5-a tie between Manuel Comnenus, Belisarius, and Alexander Nevski


Manuel Comnenus? Not a good choice. Manuel's grandfather Alexius saved the Byzantine Empire from disintegration and towards the end of his reign actually defeated the Seljuks (Philomelion). Manuel's father, John I, was an excellent statesman and general and pushed the Turks back across all of Anatolia. Had he not died prematurely, I believe he would have restored the Empire. Manuel, is notably famous for squandering all his family's work and for losing the great battle of Myriocephalum to the Seljuks, and in effect undoing almost a hundred years of work.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nikas wrote:
military

Epaminondas


one of the greatest but unknown military personalities ...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow.
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Nikas



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unknown-x wrote:
Nikas wrote:
military

Epaminondas


one of the greatest but unknown military personalities ...



Indeed.

Not many know that Phillip's and by extension Alexander's, tactical formations were based on the revolutionary concepts of Epaminondas. The oblique order, decisive arm, combined arms, all these can be traced to Epaminondas's battle formations...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is exactly what i was talking about Nikas Cool Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 3:53 am    Post subject: w Reply with quote

Cyrus the Great, who lived from 580-529 BC and founded the first Achaemenian empire in Persia.

Emperor/Warrior/champion of human rights/librator of slaves/prince/conqueror

and as it's mentioned in the history:
''CYRUS-----ATG----JULIUS"
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