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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2005 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Someone sent me the video clip of him walking out the bedroom room.

It's terrible quality, but you sort of get the general idea! Shocked [/quote]
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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2005 7:29 am    Post subject: Alexander - colin Naked?? Reply with quote

Hey everyone! I'm LEAA and I'm new to this forum. Very Happy

I was just going to comment on the viewing of Colin's "Jewels"
in Tigerland. Yes, I just watched it a few days ago. I had not
seen it in a while. I definately got a look at that scene in the
hotel with the other guy and the two "women." You can most
definately see his stuff. You can actually pause quite nicely,
if you are watching on dvd. Unfortunately, it is not a full frontal
view. Just from the side. I must say, as I have said previously,
I was somewhat impressed with what I saw.

Check it out! Did you see the love scenes in "Home at the..."
No "Jewels" in that one that I could see. But he looked so
cute and innocent. Especially when they got that awful wig
off his head!

-LEAA Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where are you come from?Are there any persons discussing here living in ***? Question
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 5:40 pm    Post subject: CAN YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I AN FEELING? Reply with quote

  那一段由安吉丽娜朱莉那带有中性色彩、紧迫力十足又异常性感的声音拉开。远在马其顿的奥林匹亚斯寄来了信件,在其中,她精辟的分析着亚历山大的一切,刻薄而又准确的评价着他的国策和部众,强横地提出自己的建议和警告,亚历山大费力的读着,那深感艰涩的表情比他身处最危险的战场时,要紧张得多。这时Hephaestion走进来,前胸半裸,长袍曳地。
  言归正传,Hephaestion走到亚历山大身后时,亚历山大直接把手伸给他,开始我以为是Hephaestion递给他酒,后来一细看,才发现在他把手伸过去后,Hephaestion立刻低下头,靠近那手,并且没有马上离开,不过此时亚历山大另一只手拿的信纸正好整个挡住,所以到底是何动作,我们大可以自行想象(我说老奥如此关键时刻,你竟然选择借位!难怪美国导演再怎么搏命,在欧陆导演面前还是矮下半截)。然后Hephaestion开始轻轻按摩亚历山大肩膀,画面中性感的氛围也逐渐浓郁起来。
  前面已经说过,安吉丽娜朱莉的声音中性、有力而且性感,此时她的声音又是推动气氛主要道具之一,此时信件内容其实已经不再重要(虽然那些词句对推动情节是必需的,但就观众感官而言,此时她的声音更占据主导)。镜头的切换也从运动的全景转为面部的静止特写,那双性感红唇吐出一连串充满蛊惑感的言词。其实就亚历山大那复杂的心理层面而言,更受后世争议的,与其说是双性恋倾向,倒不如说是恋母情结,电影在此处也隐晦的表达着这一点。随着信件即将结束,整场戏也逐渐走入最高点。母后强势性感的声线、梦幻宫殿奢侈霏靡的环境、脖颈间心上人轻轻摩娑的双手,亚历山大看似不堪重负的表情更像是在暗示,这位年轻的帝王正在经历一场人生中空前绝后的高潮!

  要知道此时的亚历山大确实站在生命中最得意的顶点。至上的权力、强悍的军队、庞大的帝国,他用短得不可思议的时间远远突破了父辈们终其毕生都难以达到的极限,之后的辛苦他在那一刻不会放在眼中,对于未来年轻的帝王只有志在必得的自信。他在这么年轻时就有此成就,那么今后还会有什么他不能逾越的障碍?一个二十出头的男人在此刻需要什么?当然是一场集合了他所有幻想的高潮。

  不过所有梦幻也在此刻嘎然而至,我感觉之后那句“今晚留下来陪我”的潜意,其实是“今晚已经结束了”,随后两人也许只是在阳台通宵长谈。为什么有此感觉呢?个人观点是亚历山大和Hephaestion之间,早已不存在性关系。年轻的时候应该有过,在影片中成年的亚历山大第一次出场时,奥林匹亚斯曾经警告过他“已经十九岁了,要结束那些年轻人的‘爱好’”云云,大意如此,亚历山大的回答是“Hephaestion爱我,我也一样”,一副爱情至上的样子。不过,亚历山大崇拜的古希腊文明中同性的爱情是崇高美丽的,但同性性行为却多存在于年长者和少年之间,越是阶层高的人越遵循这种规则,而作为受方的年少者在成年后,也会化身为施于者,不再作受方(其他文明的同性性关系也有此倾向,古罗马帝国甚至把其定为法律)。亚历山大和Hephaestion 年纪相仿,应该在前者晋身为王后,两人的关系中就不再存在床第之欢。这是习俗,不过悲剧也由此而起。无论史实怎样,在我的感觉中,电影在这两人间创造了极度微妙的禁欲色彩。

  每一个观众眼中都有自己的电影解读,我的理解是,亚历山大恪守着古希腊文明的规范,为了维护Hephaestion的尊严,他把两人的关系上升到高不可攀的柏拉图式的爱情;而Hephaestion更近似于现代自我觉醒的同性恋者,他的身心都需要亚历山大,但因为对方的选择,而硬把自己的欲望压制住。所以他在那著名的阳台对话中,曾经有这么一句“我还像个傻男孩那样倾慕你”。这句话之前,亚历山大刚刚说了那个赫赫有名的白滥排比句即“我想念你,我需要你,你是我世上唯一的爱,没有别的”,就在这所有观众都会摒声静气等待Hephaestion反应的一刻,双眼中已焕发异光的Hephaestion突然转开视线、叉开话题,先模仿亚历山大的习惯动作,然后赞美他的眼睛,紧接着就说出这句“我依然像个傻男孩那样倾慕你”,听到这段时,我突然感觉到一种刻骨的绝望和悲哀。其实亚历山大也并不好受,Hephaestion的选择是自闭,而他选择的发泄途径是滥交,因为他不自觉对Hephaestion的渴望,于是选择在其他人身上寻找满足,但是不行,那种仅仅通过触摸就达到极至的高潮永不再有!

  所以,无论是自觉还是不自觉,亚历山大和Hephaestion,两个人都在想方设法的压抑自己,他们成了柏拉图的囚徒!

  不过在远征结束之前,所有的欲求不满都可以掩饰,他们两个人面临着更实际的压力。远征的辛苦、战争的恐惧、帝国的危机,足够这两个人心无旁骛,不过大概也是身心俱疲。所以亚历山大在Hephaestion暴亡后,再也没有余力站起来。在两人前后暴亡之间的几个月,电影中没有交代,根据查看的一些资料,我猜测亚历山大此时的心态是不断挣扎着自救。所以他日以继夜的狂欢,不眠不休的准备着更庞大的远征,但只怕都失败了,无论怎样的填充,他心中那个巨大的黑洞都难以填满。所以他的暴亡即使真的是毒杀,也有可能是他有意识的顺水推舟,电影也是如此表现这一点的,在那个充满了阴谋味道的宴会上,亚历山大混沌的双眼,在手捧毒酒的那一刻其实是清醒的,但他还是一饮而尽。

  有很多评论批评电影在描绘Hephaestion其人时,没有表现他拥有非凡能力这一点。不过如果真要这么作,恐怕就是把所有最优秀的导演都绑在一起,人物关系也难以拍出现在这种效果,要知道一部不到3小时充满了线索的电影,树立两个相似的角色是奇蠢无比的行为,这种一刚一柔的设置更平衡也更合理。不过我个人感觉他还是太受气了一点,感觉上Hephaestion不像是帝国总管,到更像是正宫娘娘,既要为亚历山大在军国大事上分忧解难,又要忍受花心大萝卜四处寻欢作乐,活脱脱一个自叹年老色衰,把一众帅哥美女拱手奉上的受气大老婆形象!(就是这个本来充满戏谑的比喻让我差点被Hephaestion ——或者毋宁说他的扮演者杰拉德雷托——的fans剐了。我本来还不断为自己解释,一而再再而三后,我忍不住烦了,心想老子就是这么想的,又怎么样?你们以为“妻子”是个贬义词吗?在我的字典里,这个词语的真实含义是神圣的,代表着爱情和责任的最高境界,是人生和灵魂的最终伴侣,也是实现同一个梦想的最忠实盟友,社会学赋予了它性别色彩,但它也是人生伴侣的代名词之一,而Hephaestion对亚历山大来说,所扮演的不就是这样的角色吗?)

  影片中的Hephaestion经常是沉默的,而我认为选择如此演绎,是导演以及演员能找到的最完美的诠释方式。我并不认为Hephaestion的沉默是因为软弱,而是他清楚自己对亚历山大的影响,同样的整个马其顿军团里其他人也清楚。所以很多时候,当亚历山大和部下意见相左时,Hephaestion承受的压力甚至更大,即使心存异议,他也不能公开表达,因为他无论袒护何方都会让矛盾激化,所以他只有沉默,无言的接受着同僚对他谴责的目光。影片用许多细节烘托了这种氛围,例如在和古波斯军团大战前的军事会议上,将军们反对着冒险,老派人强硬,年轻的将领们跃跃欲试又心存疑虑,只有亚历山大充满自信又满怀激情,在争论渐渐有些火药味时,亚历山大抬眼看了一下Hephaestion,两个人交换目光后,争论暂时平息,双方各退一步,亚历山大不再那么咄咄逼人,而其他将领们也沉默了下去,因为他们感觉到此时对抗的不止是亚历山大,还有Hephaestion。还有就是亚历山大坚持娶第二个波斯新娘时,众人恼怒于他不肯把血统保存于马其顿一隅,争论越来越激烈,甚至准备挥拳相向,而就在这时Hephaestion叫了一声“亚历山大”,于是紧张的气氛再次平息,这是整部电影所有御前会议的镜头里Hephaestion唯一的台词。

  即使电影柔化了Hephaestion,我还是能够感觉到他的力量。事实上电影中Hephaestion直到死亡的那一刻都在维护着亚历山大,他远比皇帝坚强得多。上面提到的那句“我依然像个傻男孩那样倾慕你”,是他唯一一次在言辞上个人化的流露,其他的与其说是情话,倒不如说是表忠心,他更真实的情感都通过眼睛来表达了。之后他再没有明确的表达过任何个人化的情感,即使新婚之夜赠指环那段,他也只是通过眼睛表现出那一刻他身心受到的极度打击,这是他最后的动摇,此后Hephaestion便无懈可击,即使在亚历山大怒杀大将濒临崩溃时,面对皇后鄙夷的质问,他也是一笑了之。这是他的坚强。而他的果敢,则表现在那段回想的情节,在腓力被杀前,Hephaestion一直站在奥林匹亚斯身边,再加上这位疑心重又控制欲空前的娘娘却对Hephaestion信任备至,所以老奥是否是借此暗示Hephaestion也在那场“弑夫”大戏中也扮演着角色我不得而知,但无论知与不知,这个情节都可以体现Hephaestion的勇敢与果断。他在大乱凸现,人心惶惶群龙无首之际,抓住时机一举确定亚历山大的正统地位,在场的人众必然有所附和,然后趁热打铁戴上王冠,之后任何反抗都可视为背叛国王,堂而皇之的镇压。这份胆识和果断,足以让人明白,他何以稳坐帝国二把手的位置,无可动摇,也可以理解众将为什么一定要先除掉他,才能对亚历山大下手,因为他们知道,有Hephaestion在,他们没有机会。

  所以Hephaestion死后,亚历山大可算失去了他和危险之间最后一道屏障,再没有声音能在他怒火失控之前将他唤醒,也再没有人有足够的力量,在他身遭挫折时,从泥潭里将他拉起。曾经小小的不满足,最终扩大成无边无际的黑洞。这连恒星都可以吞噬的力量,亚历山大无从抵抗,在经过一番垂死挣扎后,万王之王选择投降。

  是第一次也是最后一次,此时死亡是他能得到的最好解脱。
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to know how can I edd a picture in when I speak out my opinions?
PS:I've publiced a particle in Chinese just,I am worried about whether can it be seen by other peple!For it was remain Chinese in my computer when ti was being sent out.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 5:55 pm    Post subject: Colins bits! Reply with quote

ok, great, at least I know I'm not the only one that perved at that part!!!
I must have seen the film a thousand times without noticing it two days agao, the next day I saw the film with a mate and I just had to pause (well you know when you keep pressing pause and it goes pause-play-pause-play, frame by frame) (Enough said) and we happened to have a glass of wine inside us and I was unbeleiving that it was actually him, standing in front of the Bagoas actor like that and she was pointing out the outlines like and thats his------ and thats the-----! It was just great, I was like, God he's not shy is he?! Razz
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

interesting certainely not!guess we'll never know!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:26 am    Post subject: Re: Alexander - colin Naked?? Reply with quote

LEAA wrote:
Hey everyone! I'm LEAA and I'm new to this forum. Very Happy

I was just going to comment on the viewing of Colin's "Jewels"
in Tigerland. Yes, I just watched it a few days ago. I had not
seen it in a while. I definately got a look at that scene in the
hotel with the other guy and the two "women." You can most
definately see his stuff. You can actually pause quite nicely,
if you are watching on dvd. Unfortunately, it is not a full frontal
view. Just from the side. I must say, as I have said previously,
I was somewhat impressed with what I saw.

Check it out! Did you see the love scenes in "Home at the..."
No "Jewels" in that one that I could see. But he looked so
cute and innocent. Especially when they got that awful wig
off his head!

-LEAA Wink


Hi LEAA,

I think we are both Colin fans because I agree with you 110%. Tigerland was an excellent film and I know the exact scene you are talking about! Also, in the movie AHATEOTW, Coln's acting skills were, to me, incredible. And, as you said, he did look so cute and innocent when they took that horrendous wig off of his head!! Rolling Eyes Now while they didn't show his "jewels" in Home At the End of the World, I don't think it made one bit of difference!

Joy Wink
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