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Our meeting at Pella.
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joanna



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now, Central Greece. Here it is :




You can see the 5 Perfectures but the one with Delphi is called 'Fokida'. It's not written on this map.


Here we care about the following ones :

1) Fthiotida ( Thermopylai is found there )

2) Fokida (Delphi is there )

3) Viotia ( with Chaeronea and Thebes )


- Thermopylai is 190 km from Athens
- Delphi is 160 km
- Chaeronea is 120 km
- Thebes is 80 km away from Athens

The distances between these cities is not big.



Some more info about these cities



From the cities mentioned above Thermopylai is the first on our way going south. As I have already said we can see there the monument of Leonidas. We don't have to worry about the opening time and tickets here It's a permanent, open-air monument, and you don't pay anything to see it.
Near, on a hill called Kolonos an excavation revealed fortification works of several periods, Roman and Byzantine graves and ruins of Byzantine buildings. Since we are there we can have a look.


In Delphi except the Archaelogical site, there is the Museum. There, there is also a room with a display of gold and ivory finds from the sanctuary. Interesting!

Opening time : the site is open Tuesday - Sunday from 7.30 to sunset
the museum is open from 7.30 to 19.00

Tickets : for the site is 6 euros / for the museum is also 6 (full admission) and 3 ( reduced ) . But for both it's 9 euros.

Delphi is the most sacred religious site of anciet Greece. They believed that it was the center of the Earth ( the 'Omphalos' which means navel ). According to myth, Zeus released two eagles in order to define east and west, according to their flights, and the two birds, after cicling the earth, met over Delphi.
During the Persian invasion of Greece in 480 BC, Xerxes sent a force to Delphi to pillage the site. A great storm broke out as the Persians were reaching the site and two huge boulders tumbled down from the mountain above the Temple of Apollo and fell on the Persian army. The invaders retreated and left, and rumor swept through the country that Apollo had protected his ste and defeated the Persians.
The Priestess, called, Pythia, would seat on a tripod, with a stack of bay leaves burning under it. She would foretell the future or give advice on what should be done, based on Apollo's will. The prophecies were delivered in cryptic language or were phrased in a way such that they had more than one meaning. Very smart !
The Athenians sought the advice of the Delphic oracle in 480 BC during the war with the Persians. Pythia advised them that their city would be saved by its "wooden walls" . Some thought of builidng a wooden wall around Athens. Themistocles, the Athenian general, convinced them that the 'wooden walls' were its navy. He moved the people to the island of Aegina, and then went on to destroy the Persian navy in Salamis.
The oracle of Delphi continued to be a major religious site through the Roman period. Herod atticus rebuild its stadium. Adrian restored its facilities. Nero, on the other hand, moved 500 statues from Delphi to Rome ! Constantine, the Byzantine Emperor, moved a lot of art works to Constantinople. Easy guys, piety!! Then Theodosius, a convert to Christianity, ordered the shutting down not only of Delphi but also Olympia. The Olympic Games, which had continued without a stop for 1,000 years, were abolished !



In Chaeronia there is the lion monument. Again we don't pay to see it. As we know the battle of Chaeronea took place in 338 BC. Philip with his son Alexander against the Athenians and Thebans.
We are at the beginning of the battle and Philip starts the attacking. A bloody battle starts, and both sides have equal chances to win until Philip thinks up something. He orders his men to retreat, predending as if they are fleeing. The Athenians, who formed the left wing of the Greek phalanx, notice this and move forward to hunt down the fleeing Macedonians. On the other side of Macedonian army Alexander is alert. He sees that the Greek left wing is advancing while the remainder of the phalanx is kept on its place by the Macedonian light forces on his side of the phalanx. The result is that the Greek phalanx is split into two, and Alexander immediately used the opening between both parts for a charge with his heavy cavalry. Because of the retreat of the Macedonian right wing their sloped phalanx has transformed into a straight phalanx. Philip sees that his son had used the opening and orders his troops to attack once again. The Greeks are surprised by the attack of the Macedonians, who had seemed to be fleeing a few moments ago. Their phalanx can not withstand the attack, and the formation collapses.

Hmmm... Philip's men had pretended to retreat. That's how he won the battle . So, it was Philip or Alexander responsible for the victory ? Alexander was quick to see the opening and took advantage of it ( a strategic that he kept doing it at the battles with the Persians ).
Anyway, Philip didn't want to admit that Alexander was responsible for the victory, and vice versa Confused You know what I believe they had the same character. Both, very proud. I think that if Philip was not killed, there would have been a lot of trouble between them. One of them had to ...go! Elimination of one was inevitable .



Thebes was an important city in ancient times. There was a spirit of 'Brotherhood' among the Thebans. That's positive Smile
But in 479 BC, during the battle of Platea, the governing aristocracy of Thebes joined Xerxes of Persia against the other Greeks. That's negative Evil or Very Mad . The victorious Greeks subsequently punished Thebes by depriving it of the presidency of the Boeotian League. Alexander couldn't have chosen a 'better' city ot destroy. He made a lot of Greeks happy Rolling Eyes
I would like to know what Pindar did that moment. He was not that young (around 40 ) when this battle took place, and I guess he didn't fight. His father belonged to the 'aristocracy' but his mother might have been a slave.
But we are talking about Pindar and we haven't mentioned Corinna yet ! She was a contemporary of Pindar. She's said to have competed against him and many times she was the winner. She's also said to have lectured him for his failure to use myth, and when Pindar wrote :

" Shall it be Ismenos, or Melia of the golden distaff,
or Kadmos, or the sacred generation of Sown Men,
or Thebe of the dark blue veil,
or the dare-all strength of Heracles,
or the gracious cult of Dionysos,
or the marriage of white-armed Harmonia ? Which shall we sing ? ",

Corinna laught and told him he should sow with the hand, not with the whole sack Razz

Pindar also wrote poems to glorify an 'enemy' city, Athens, and he was fined by Thebans Shocked
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cynisca,


I'm glad to see that you're seriously considering the trip Very Happy . Yes, I understand about the costs. Alexandros_19 mentioned hostels. But aren't they for young people ? For him is fine but not for me ( more than 40 Confused ! ). I mean, I don't think I'm allowed to stay there.
About the transport between the sites, there is no problem for me as I always go to Greece by car. So, I'm going to drive there. Three more people can come with me in my car ( two at the back seat , so you can be confortable ).
Of course there are buses, trains...but it should be fun to travel together. " Marching with the Phalanx " ??? Nooo! Razz
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alexandros_19 wrote:
The request, please have a priestess at Delphi to tell me I am the son of Zeus Laughing .



Very Happy Don't worry Alejandro, I have arranged everything ! Pythia promised to be there to tell you ...whatever you want to learn. She learned her lesson from the previous Alexander who visited her Shocked
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Joanna,
joanna wrote:
Cynisca,
I'm glad to see that you're seriously considering the trip Very Happy . Yes, I understand about the costs. Alexandros_19 mentioned hostels. But aren't they for young people ? For him is fine but not for me ( more than 40 Confused ! ). I mean, I don't think I'm allowed to stay there.
About the transport between the sites, there is no problem for me as I always go to Greece by car. So, I'm going to drive there. Three more people can come with me in my car ( two at the back seat , so you can be confortable ).
Of course there are buses, trains...but it should be fun to travel together. " Marching with the Phalanx " ??? Nooo! Razz

Riding with the Heteroi then..... Very Happy
I thought there were hostels that catered for us 'over 40's'..although I don't know about Greece, been a long time since I was last there..
It's 'High Season' too....I just got one 'quote' of £100 for a
night in a budget hotel...!
.... Shocked
What about sharing a room to keep down costs....I think you pay per room out there?
I can take a tent anyway.....just in case it's needed.....lol
regards
Cynisca
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 2:52 am    Post subject: im, new, ive seen the film more than 6 times and i love alex Reply with quote

Hello, im new.
im want to go t Pella too, when do you will go, how many people?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

joanna wrote:
Cynisca,


I'm glad to see that you're seriously considering the trip Very Happy . Yes, I understand about the costs. Alexandros_19 mentioned hostels. But aren't they for young people ? For him is fine but not for me ( more than 40 Confused ! ). I mean, I don't think I'm allowed to stay there.
About the transport between the sites, there is no problem for me as I always go to Greece by car. So, I'm going to drive there. Three more people can come with me in my car ( two at the back seat , so you can be confortable ).
Of course there are buses, trains...but it should be fun to travel together. " Marching with the Phalanx " ??? Nooo! Razz


How about a caravan? I wouldn't mind renting a car - I'm sure reading the street signs in GREEK would be no problem for me!! Laughing Actually, I'd do it - all I'd have to do is follow Joanna.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm really mad because I think I won't be able to make it. I only have 1 week vacation by July and I think there isn't enough time for me to enjoy those wonderful places you all are planning to go visit. Sad

I would love to go, it is kind of my dream trip but 1 week it isn't enough time.

I will try my best to change that somehow. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

joanna wrote:
Cynisca,


I'm glad to see that you're seriously considering the trip Very Happy . Yes, I understand about the costs. Alexandros_19 mentioned hostels. But aren't they for young people ? For him is fine but not for me ( more than 40 Confused ! ). I mean, I don't think I'm allowed to stay there.
About the transport between the sites, there is no problem for me as I always go to Greece by car. So, I'm going to drive there. Three more people can come with me in my car ( two at the back seat , so you can be confortable ).
Of course there are buses, trains...but it should be fun to travel together. " Marching with the Phalanx " ??? Nooo! Razz


I like the enthusiasm there is behind this trip and how serious we are getting about it, planning it with some time in advance. Respect to hostels, no, they aren't just for young people, they are for everyone. You have shared rooms but frequently there are also private rooms if you want. I can look it up later as I don't know how many there are in each city we are visiting. By the way, I think the idea of starting up North and going southwards towards Athens is perfect.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Pam, a caravan would be a good idea ! Or a van , or a mini bus. Half of it will be occupied by your family... and there are going to be some ( 2, 3 Confused ) more free seats for the rest.
As for the road signs, yes, that's right, just follow me Very Happy . ( Pam, they are written in English, too! ).

Now, I'm serious.
I'm sorry that all of you cannot come with me in my car. I've got a normal family car ( station wagon Ford Escort ) and as I said 3 people can come. I would say 2, as one seat has already been reserved for Alejandro ( if he wants, of course ). He was the first to agree to do this trip and he has priority . Right ?


I'm so happy to see that more people think of going there .
Come on, Alexandrians, let's do it Very Happy


As for accomodation, I still have to see. Hostels are for everybody ? Even for 42 Sad years old ?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

joanna wrote:
Yes, Pam, a caravan would be a good idea ! Or a van , or a mini bus. Half of it will be occupied by your family... and there are going to be some ( 2, 3 Confused ) more free seats for the rest.
As for the road signs, yes, that's right, just follow me Very Happy . ( Pam, they are written in English, too! ).

Now, I'm serious.
I'm sorry that all of you cannot come with me in my car. I've got a normal family car ( station wagon Ford Escort ) and as I said 3 people can come. I would say 2, as one seat has already been reserved for Alejandro ( if he wants, of course ). He was the first to agree to do this trip and he has priority . Right ?


Oh, Joanna, I'm so honoured. Am I still to be the leading actor in your play too? Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, yes , of course. Don't you remember how amazed I was during the rehearsals you had ?
Here you are with my assistant ( a nice man )

Were you comfotable in the costume ?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

joanna wrote:
Oh, yes , of course. Don't you remember how amazed I was during the rehearsals you had ?
Here you are with my assistant ( a nice man )

Were you comfotable in the costume ?



Where is the photo ? Disappeared ? Never mind we'll take other photos.
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joanna wrote:
joanna wrote:
Oh, yes , of course. Don't you remember how amazed I was during the rehearsals you had ?
Here you are with my assistant ( a nice man )

Were you comfotable in the costume ?



Where is the photo ? Disappeared ? Never mind we'll take other photos.


I saw the picture. Very funny! Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi there Leonidas here the trip sounds really great!!!congrats joanna
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Leonidas, are you coming ? Smile
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